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  From:  123four   2/9/2002 3:20 pm  
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Ezekial chapter 38 
[2] Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 
[3] And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: 
[4] And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: 
[5] Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: 
[6] Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee. 
[7] Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them. 
[8] After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. 
[9] Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee. 
[10] Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: 
[11] And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, 
[12] To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. 
[13] Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil? 
[14] Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? 
[15] And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: 
[16] And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. 
[17] Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them? 
[18] And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. 
[19] For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 
[20] So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 
[21] And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 
[22] And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 
[23] Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD. 

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Looks like it won't be too long before this all takes 
place, as the countries are literally lining up, 
taking their places for this battle. I know this 
is not the Armageddon battle, but would be 
interested in any insights by everyone. 
Some say we (U>S>) are the Young LIons of 
Tarshish, and it seems plausible, since 
we came from Great Britain, and she 
being the 'mother lion'
 
  
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  From:  StevenJn316   2/9/2002 4:18 pm  
To:  123four   (2 of 9)  
 
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I agree this will happen rather soon, and one thing to note is the purpose of this victory which God will give Israel is so the Jews will realize God exists. 
Today, the majority of Jews are typical secular atheists/agnostics from a religious sense. They have kept many cultural traditions which have a basis in religion, but for the most part, they are not overly religious. 

Remember, the antichrist must come on the scene in the latter days - he is a false Messiah (that is what antichrist means - in the place of Christ). Of course most Jews are not looking for a Messiah today, but when God performs the miracle of Ezekiel you cited, then, like the Red Sea parting and the plagues upon Egypt, all Jews will know God exists and will then begin to look for a Messiah to arise.
 
  
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  From:  123four   2/9/2002 4:29 pm  
To:  StevenJn316   (3 of 9)  
 
  313.3 in reply to 313.2  
 
Yes, and the very fact that it will 
take 7 entire years (time in trib?) 
to bury the dead from this war is 
a big hint as to when it will happen. 
Also, Russia gave Iran various 
guns and weapons which were partly 
made of lignite. This is a synthetic 
material, but is much stronger than 
wood, but burns much longer than wood. 
I read that in the paper during 
Desert Storm. So, I am supposing 
that some of the weapons will be 
made of this material. 
  
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  From:  Cowboy (cowboy592002)   2/10/2002 8:39 pm  
To:  123four   (4 of 9)  
 
  313.4 in reply to 313.3  
 
Just a thought. Vs 11 says Israel will be dwelling in safety. Is this a general term? Safety from what? "A land without bars and gates" is an idiomatic expression probably referring to a perceived notion of a secure country. On the other hand what conditions would have to exist for Israel to "dwell safely" prior to this attack? Good point about the lignite. I read about that many years ago. 
One more thing. I agree with some that this is a precursor to the tribulation. There is no mention of the antichrist, and other nations seem free to criticize. Reference to the "spoil" may mean a prelude to military intervention by the lions of Tarshish which will obviously not come to pass as God Himself will defend Israel. 

Anyway, when this happens I hope it is still a long time off. 




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  From:  wwgeochem   2/11/2002 6:26 am  
To:  123four   (5 of 9)  
 
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I recommend you all read "Armageddon Now!" by Dwight Wilson. 
Wilson recounts the dozens of times Christians have predicted th end in the last century. The book is free from 

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Friday the 13, May 1988 
On May 14, 1948, the state of Israel became a legal reality. Friday the 13th, 1988, marked the 40th anniversary of the final day of non-Jewish rule in Palestine. That should have led either to Armageddon or the Rapture, according to numerous proponents of dispensational premillennialism. Nothing happened. 
Forty years is an intriguing number of year, biblically speaking. It marks one biblical generation. It was this figure of 40 years that had led some dispensational leaders in the late 1970's to forecast the Rapture in 1981: 40 years minus the seven years of Israel's Great Tribulation, when the Church will be in heaven, according to pre-tribulational dispensationalism. But the Rapture did not take place in 1981, either. 
In early 1988, Mr. Edgar C. Whisenant published a back-to-back, two-part book. He used more than one title for one of these books, but one version was called The Rapture Rosh Hash Ana 1988 and 88 Reasons Why. It predicted that the Rapture would take place in September, 1988. It sold millions of copies. But the Rapture was delayed. Again. Then he announced that he had forgotten that in between 1 B.C. and 1 A.D., there was a full year, so really the Rapture would come in September, 1989. It didn't. We then heard no more from Mr. Whisenant. 
In August, 1990, Saddam Hussein's forces invaded Kuwait. Immediately, there was a flurry of American fundamentalist interest in another wave of books on the revival of "Babylon." Prophecy book sales soared far higher than Scud missiles. Iraq was expected to invade the nation of Israel. But nothing happened. Iraq lobbed a few Scud missiles into Tel Aviv. Most of them were shot down by U.S. Patriot surface-to-air missiles. Armageddon was delayed. Again. 
Had the forecasters paid more attention to Dr. Dwight Wilson's 1977 book, Armageddon Now!, they might have avoided their subsequent series of embarrassments. He had warned his premillennial peers against making forecasts about the dating of Armageddon, and by implication, the dating of the Rapture. His book surveys the history of such ill-fated prophecies. From 1917 on, premillennial authors repeatedly identified the Antichrist, the Beast, 666, and numerous other "literal fulfillments" of biblical prophecy. None of these identifications proved accurate. Dr. Wilson warned against the use of such "loose literalism." 
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For years premillennial dispensational authors have been predicting that Armageddon is just around the corner - and for years their false prophecies have failed to come true. In this update of his 1977 book, Armageddon Now!, Dwight Wilson examines these predictions concerning Armageddon, particularly as they apply to Russia from the time of the Russian revolution unto today. With the dismantling of the Soviet empire, this book is more timely than ever. 


 
  
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  From:  123four   2/11/2002 6:32 am  
To:  wwgeochem   (6 of 9)  
 
  313.6 in reply to 313.5  
 
I have never followed any date setting. 
However, I do study the scriptures. While 
we will never know the day or the hour, 
we can know the season, as the scripture 
teaches us. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/11/2002 2:36 pm  
To:  123four   (7 of 9)  
 
  313.7 in reply to 313.6  
 
Hi ,

 

I agree we do not know the exact day and hour that Jesus will meet us in the air and Rapture or Remove us His Church from the earth but according to the Bible we are supposed to know the season or general time frame of the occurrence.

 

1 Thessalonians 5:1-11

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail  upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

 

My personal view is that this is the Season to be Raptured, I do think the Rapture can happen at any time and I think that it will happen sooner than later.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  123four   2/11/2002 2:40 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (8 of 9)  
 
  313.8 in reply to 313.7  
 
oh YES!!! Amen. Even so, come quickly, 
LOrd Jesus! 
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    2/11/2002 2:48 pm  
To:  123four   (9 of 9)  
 
  313.9 in reply to 313.8  
 
Hi,

 

I like how the Bible tells us to comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do. We are to comfort one another with the knowledge of Jesus return to Rapture us prior to the Great Tribulation.

 

I do find much comfort in the Return of Jesus and look very forward to seeing Him soon one day!

 

And I know that I am not alone that Many, Many Christians are looking forward to seeing Jesus very soon.

 

God Bless You,

David



David A. Brown
Basic Christian: Forum
 
 
